I think it should be mentioned that "one" is a very powerful word, as it allows users to replace "you" and "we," which break the third-person tone.
Incorrect: "If you look closely, you can see a picture of Frylock posing with Dr. Weird in Frylock's room."
Correct: "Looking closely, one can see a picture of Frylock posing with Dr. Weird in Frylock's room."
Even if you don't mention this on the style guide, I still feel it was worth mentioning on this talk page. Edd Shwartz (talk) 05:34, December 24, 2013 (UTC)
Category Discussion (September 2014)[]
Never mind what's above this section. I was on a very steep learning curve when I joined this wiki.
Onto the subject at hand, which categories should be kept. This discussion was started in the comments of the User blog:Siberian99/Social Templates page, but I have moved it, because it was irrelevant to the topic at hand, especially since this is going to be such a large topic. If anyone else wants to join in, they are welcome to, but I would greatly appreciate it if they read the comments relevant to this discussion (not just the one at the top) on that page before coming here.
Aliens[]
I agree that this page is necessary. The show does have quite a number of aliens, and I think it would be nice having it here. It isn't replaceable by any other category, so I think it should stay.
Carl[]
Most of the pages relating to Carl (except for 2 Wycked) have Carl's name in them. For example, most users can find the page about Carl's Pool by accident when they search the wiki for "Carl." I think Carl's pool is a perfect category for deletion. I think "Carl's Dad" and "Carl's Mom" may or may not need to be deleted as well, because they did not serve as villains, and they made one physical appearance, so I think they are deserving of being placed on the List of Incredibly Minor Characters. Little Carl really should just be a section of the main page for Carl Brutananadilewski.
Characters that have been killed[]
While this category does serve a purpose, the said purpose of this category is for trivia, as in a trivial purpose, and it violates our "Canon Policy." Continuity should only be mentioned when it exists, like how Frylock doesn't care that Shake has died, or how the Aqua Teens used to be detectives. That reminds me; I think the page about Carl's deaths and unfortunate moments should be deleted, because not only does it violate our canon policy, it would also be a hassle to take care of. Furthermore, I never really deemed it necessary to list ALL unfortunate moments (though, I could see why someone would list his getting his skin ripped off in "Revenge of the Trees" and "Carl"). I digress. This category is not necessary.
Child[]
I legitimately can only think of a few characters in the show that can be classified as children. Don't bring up "Jumpy George" as those were [SPOILER ALERT] alien body guards. The only example I can think of is the kid from "Dumber Days," but he's barely relevant enough to receive his own page (that's why he's on the List of Incredibly Minor Characters). Meatwad is not a child, as he has been portrayed as being over 30 on more than one occasion ("Rabbot Redux," "Spirit Journey Formation Anniversary," and the various episodes where he has done drugs imply that he is over twenty years old). Because of all this, I do not deem this a necessary category.
Clone[]
Major Shake and the Brownie Monsters are some of the only characters that are clones (not counting re-incarnations like Balloon Hitler and MC Pee Pants). We don't know what characters will show up in the future, so I don't think it will help us organize "future characters." You say that it will help keep pages from being orphans, but the Major Shake and Brownie-Monster pages already have the "villain/monsters" category, so they aren't "orphans." I'm more worried about the "List of Cold Openings" to be quite honest. I wouldn't create categories that have two worthy entries.
Cybernetic and Machinery[]
This is an editing war begging to be born. Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future is not actually a cyborg, but I can imagine everyone adding him to the category. Furthermore, the Universal Remonster and Www.yzzerdd.com are not human. Universal Remonster is pretty much all robot (unless, of course, Emory and Oglethorpe created a werewolf, and I forgot about it. In that case, I apologize), and Www.yzzerdd.com. I think the "Machinery" category would be necessary, if we didn't already have a "technology" category.
I'm afraid I have to go now. I will type about the other categories later.
Sorry, someone made rushed me, so I forgot the signature button. Edd Shwartz (talk) 23:00, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
Well given the fact that my mind isn't 100% clear at the moment, I can't think of a valid argument for or agaisnt the reasons you've listed so far; however I would like to note that machinery can be considered a subcatagory of technology as technology is an umbrella term for just tech in general while machinery refers to a specific type of technology. It's up to you guys as the main caretakers of the stie as to what to keep; I personally thought most of the things I made were nessary. If deemed diffrent, I can respect that and won't mess with it further.
Be sure you sign your posts with four tildes (~). Now, I do appreciate that you're willing to step aside, but if you do have any valid points on why these SHOULD become categories, you are welcome to add to the discussion, as Siberian99 and I do not claim ownership of the wiki. Wikis are group efforts, after all. Edd Shwartz (talk) 00:12, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
I will make sure to do so in the future and while I am well aware that it is a group effort, there is always a hierarchy to follow; at anyrate, I know when I started making them, I had more vaild points, i'm just using so much cold medicine right now, it's hard to think straight. I'm used to working in an isloated enviroment so it may take me a little while to get used to a group effort. I do hope to become a welcome member around here and that most mistakes can be over looked as a transitional mistake. My apologizes for any extra work. Chibifoxkit (talk) 01:12, September 16, 2014 (UTC)Chibifoxkit
- We do have have a hierarchy, but I won't block you or anything for a simple mistake. I am fine with non abusive, general experimenting so long as the contributor has read our guidelines and is willing to clean up their own messes should they make one.
You do not need to hope, you are a welcome member of the community. Everyone with the intention to improve the Wiki is. I'm sorry if I came across as upset towards your edits, I do not mean to sound like that even though some of my posts may come across like that!
I hope you feel better soon! Feel free to further express your opinions should you remember them. :)
Anyways, I'll try to share my opinion at some point tomorrow. I would have tried to comment earlier but it has been a stressful day. Goodnight! -Siberian99 (talk)
Oh I remember one of my points now, it was the clones catageory. There was an enitre episode with a cloner, i believe that tv's have been cloned, money, a money founding father mutant, and i think a few other things but I cant recall.
If you guys feel I make a mess of things, do tell me becuase i'd be more then willing to go clean the damn thing back up. does anyone have any probelm with the "evil" "demonic" and "demon" tags? Remember each serves a seperate purpose and while demonic is under evil, not everything that is evil is demonic. Demon just serves as a "race" identifier. Chibifoxkit (talk) 05:05, September 16, 2014 (UTC)Chibifoxkit
Yes, you are welcome here. Now, I would like to continue with the categories. The only new characters that were provided by "The Cloning" were worthy of being placed on the "List of Incredibly Minor Characters." What do we know about the George Washington clone? Nothing. I also do not consider the television to be a character, nor would money be a character. Let's continue onwards with our hopefully civil discussion. Edd Shwartz (talk) 22:29, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
Evil, Demon, and Demonic[]
I do not think we need the "Demon" category if we have the "demonic" category. Why? Well, I'm not much on mythology, but I think that we don't have that many characters in either category (though, I wholeheartedly welcome you to prove me wrong). I think it would be better to have just one: the "Demonic" category. I do agree that there is a difference between a demon and a demonic character, but I think that the purposes of this wiki, it would be better to have just one.
The "Evil" category is something I do not want to add, because of one thing I want to discuss: specifications on each category. How do we define evil? I know it's someone who's in the morally wrong most of the time, but how far in the wrong. The Mooninites may be mean, but are they completely evil or just @#*holes? You could argue that they have different alignments depending on the episode. For example, you could argue that they are evil in the episode "Moon Master," but not in the episode "Remooned." This would cause a bit of trouble with the canon policy. If you are able to come up with a definition of evil, please share it with us. I cannot promise I will completely agree with it, but I will see what I can do about it.
I can see your point for removing the "evil" catagory, but I still think we need to keep both demonic and demon as they are two completely diffrent things.One defines a race/people who live in hell or hell-like dimension (Broodwhich episode) and Demonic is well, demonic. Chibifoxkit (talk) 22:53, September 16, 2014 (UTC)Chibifoxkit
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday…[]
Actually, it's "Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday…" In the United States of America, the week starts with "Sunday," which, from what I've heard, is playfully mocked by other countries. There is a big discussion about whether the Sabbath is on Sunday or Saturday, but we WILL NOT be discussing that.
Yesterday, I found this category unnecessary, but now I believe that it is perfectly acceptable. I cannot think of reason why we shouldn't have this category other than the fact that the rumors about the group's return in Death Fighter has been confirmed by the person who started the rumors as fake. Chibifoxkit, if you would be so kind as to add fix this mistake, it is fine to keep it.
I'm sorry, i'm a little confused as to what you wish for me to do; if this is incorrect please tell me before I add it. You want me to put that the rumor's of this groups return is fake, correct? Chibifoxkit (talk) 22:49, September 16, 2014 (UTC)Chibifoxkit
I apologize for not making myself clear. Rename the category as "Category:Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday" instead of "Category:Monday, Tuesday..." Make sure the redirect works on all pages. If you would rather just remove the category from all pages, then create an entirely new page entitled "Category:Sunday, Monday..." Siberian99 will permanently delete the old one later. If you still do not understand, then, once again, I am sorry. Edd Shwartz (talk) 22:55, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
No no, it's my own fault for not understanding things as they were presented to me. I can do so, but I did it based off the group and it was called "Monday Tuesday..." at various points on the Wikia but I can always go and change it ^-^
P.S. out of curosity, is it just the both of you that take care of this site now n' days? Chibifoxkit (talk) 22:57, September 16, 2014 (UTC)Chibifoxkit
Then, this wiki is wrong. I specifically remeber it being "Sunday to Saturday" instead of "Monday to Sunday," but I will go back and check this out later today. I know this is a bit of a tangent, but yes, Siberian99 and I pretty much the only two people on the wiki with registered accounts. There's another user known as "Miles," but he's pretty new here. There used to be another user by the name of "Grapesoda22," but his only recent contribution was a recent phot, if I'm not mistaken. That photo could've been yours, though. Edd Shwartz (talk) 23:09, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
I can look around though my history checker, it shouldn't be to hard to find. It's not fair for just two or three of you guys to do all the work on this wiki so i'm going to do my best to help out. It's possible but I also only made this account 3 days ago.
Shwartz: Hey, it turns out that photo really was uploaded by Grapesoda22. I REALLY appreciate the help. Edd Shwartz (talk) 23:15, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
Holy crap, i just found out this site has achievments XD and as it turns out I have a crap ton of them. How long have they been there >.> -says jokingly- But seriously, I love this show and I feel like doing my part. Chibifoxkit (talk) 23:18, September 16, 2014 (UTC)Chibifoxkit
That's the link to the page itself. Which starts with Monday I should remark. Do you think this is a mistake?Chibifoxkit (talk) 23:32, September 16, 2014 (UTC)Chibifoxkit
I'm pretty sure it's a mistake, but I will make sure later today. I'm sorry, but I've run out of Wikia time. Real life issues take priority. Edd Shwartz (talk) 23:36, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
All right, I checked out "The Last One" as it appears on the Volume 3 DVD, and the official name is "Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday." You were right after all. My problem was with another episode. In "Rabbot Redux," Rabbot says "Monday to Sunday," but his card says, "Sunday to Saturday." I apologize for my mistake. You were correct the whole time, and I am sorry. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Edd Shwartz (talk) 01:16, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
Anytime ^-^ Should I add it as a trivia fact? Chibifoxkit (talk) 02:33, September 17, 2014 (UTC)Chibifoxkit
I'm glad I'm not the only one who first thought that one was supposed to place their username after the four tildes. You're just supposed to put the four tildes. Wikia automatically changes this to include your username and the time and date. Furthermore, I added the trivia to the page myself, just to be a jerk. :P Edd Shwartz (talk) 02:49, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
x.x I did not know that. I feel stupid. Also, you jerk >< that was my post! Chibifoxkit (talk) 02:51, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
Voice Actors[]
It's necessary. Moving on…
Non-human[]
We could have this category, but I'm worried about how amazingly huge it could become. Furthermore, I think objects could fall into this category, which would make it even bigger. Siberian99, what do you think?
Machinery[]
I still think the "technology" category is better. I think that one could potentially be a smart-aleck and say, "a wheel counts as technology, because it's a simple machine." However, I don't think we would have too many pages that would be low-tech but still classified as technology. Siberian99, what do you think? Edd Shwartz (talk) 22:30, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for butting in like this but I think I should clarify something; it's important to not use to many umbrela terms that a bunch of things can fall under, machinery and/or cybernetics or something along those lines to help seperate things out can go a long way as far as organization. As long as we use specific guidlines for these things, I don't see the problem. Chibifoxkit (talk) 22:51, September 16, 2014 (UTC)Chibifoxkit
I see your point. Very well, if Siberian99 does not see any problem with creating the "Machinery" category, I see no reason not to create it. However, I would appreciate it if you did created a category called "Robots" instead of "Cybernetics." Why? Because Bart Oates is the only half-human half-machine that I can think of. I do not approve of having a category for less than five pages. If you can think of more human-machine hybrids, then, yes, you may keep the "Cybernetics" tag, but keep in mind that the robots from "Robots Everywhere" and "Robositter" (for example) are entirely machine and not Cybernetics.
You got it Cheif, just waiting for the final approval on this one and I'll get started. I hope I've helped the wiki so far more then i've hidnered ^^; Chibifoxkit (talk)Chibifoxkit
Oh, you haven't hindered it. Sorry for 537,000 posts I've made without the signature. Edd Shwartz (talk) 23:05, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
Hehe, i'm sure it can't be that much chief. At anyrate I just felt a little guilty for the mass edits i did in about 24 hours.
Siberian's Section[]
Sorry I took so long. A lot of drama at work right now. I haven't had a whole lot of stress-free free time lately. Anyways, in regards to the comments on the blog:
"My sources are always from Adult Swim itself, though I often find myself searching though old archives from years passed to find 'em."
That is fine. It is not so much images that are the problem, it is the videos. We allow the vast majority of images, but videos are restricted to sources uploaded by Adult Swim.
"And thanks I couldn't figure out how to get the templtes working and I still can't figure out how to get a gallery working. I've uploaded some pictures as I noticed the wiki is lacking in quite a few areas as far as that goes and even more so in video clips."
Galleries are very easy to do. When editing a page, look on the right side of the screen and click on the gallery button. A box will then open that you can either add previously uploaded images to the gallery or upload new ones. To do this in code (edit this to see this in raw code):
<gallery> Bert.PNG Raw.PNG Bible Fruit Booger Suger AS.PNG </gallery>
"And I'd be glad to wait around for Edd, if memory serves, he has rollback tag. I'm still learning what ranks are for where and what they do but I think that one lets users with that tag or a co-related tag (such as admin) revert pages with one click."
The rollback tag doesn't actually exist, I just added it in with code so that his role is more prominent. The tag represents that he's an active, helpful, and trusted member. And yeah, he does have the permission to rollback with only click.
"I was thinking about making a diffrent character design template just to allow for more options if the need were to arise such as things like "Affiliations," "Allies," and "Enemies." to name a few."
I would be happy to add more fields to the character infobox if everyone agrees to it.
Categories:
- Aliens - I see no problem with this category.
- Carl - I agree with Edd. Seems unnesscary to me. "Little Carl" should probably not be a separate character.
- Characters that have been killed - It'd probably be less time consuming to list characters that have not been killed. I don't think it's a necessary category.
- Child - I wouldn't be against this category if there is legitimately enough notable entries in the show to make it worthwhile.
- Clone - See above.
- Cybernetic - See above.
- Machinery - See above. I don't know for sure, but is there any kind of technology pages that aren't machines? If not, maybe the category should be "robots"?
- Demon & Demonic - Fine with one of these. I don't think we need both, as we can list their demonic origins as a piece trivia.
- Evil - Eh, I think the villain category suits this purpose well enough. I wouldn't be against an alignment system normally, but this show isn't known for having very consistent characters.
- Non-Human - Wouldn't monsters be more ideal?
- Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday - No problem with this one.
- Voice Actors - No problem with this one.
"I can look around though my history checker, it shouldn't be to hard to find. It's not fair for just two or three of you guys to do all the work on this wiki so i'm going to do my best to help out. It's possible but I also only made this account 3 days ago."
It comes with the territory, people won't flock to a Wiki about a show that isn't widely popular.
"Hehe, i'm sure it can't be that much chief. At anyrate I just felt a little guilty for the mass edits i did in about 24 hours."
Stop apologizing or feeling guilty! I would have been annoyed if you were a vandal, or if you just showed up, randomly made a mess and left, but you didn't. As such, we have no problem with you.
Please let me know if I missed anything, this page is kind of difficult to read. --Siberian99 (talk) 02:51, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
Chibi's responce: First I just want to say in my ouright opinion, Demon and Demonic deserve their own catagories, but as the majority has voted, I think we should keep Demonic. Secondly, Your right, though I belive we already have a Monster catagory. I don't think we should use the term "Robot" simply becuase it's a bit more narrow then I'd like yet Technologies to broad to do everything, would anyone be opposed to something like "Android", robot can be anything mechenical and I think a majority of the things that would go under "robot" would be characters which wis why I think we should use Android becuase that refrences something more "human-like" and technology will cover the rest. This would accomplish the goal in mind.Chibifoxkit (talk) 03:06, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
Confusion![]
Right, so i'm a bit confused; the catagories listed on the talk page were not all the approved ones, but if that is the list you guys want I can go and start deleting the unlisted catagories. (Some of the one's that were missing on the page were Demon, Demonic and Android) Chibifoxkit (talk) 20:51, October 2, 2014 (UTC)
- I haven't finished adding all of the new categories to the style guide. -Siberian99 (talk)
- Ah, there was no time stamp so I didn't know when it was posted. My bad v.v Chibifoxkit (talk) 21:39, October 2, 2014 (UTC)