Talk: Steve

Is the Colon Movie canon or not? It was fucking epic, but Frylock's definitely a man. Does ATHF even have a "canon?"

I think the creators really don't care as everything they do on the show is mostly for the purpose of creating confusion, like for example the house gets destroyed every few episodes and its fixed by the next episode, the creators even poked fun of this in an episode where Frylock acknowledged that the house fixes itself magically. My point is that even if Steve died in the movie or Frylock had a sex change or a watermelon claimed to be the creator of everything, its meant to not be taken seriously as probably in the next episode or movie those things will be mentioned but they will be treated as though they never happened for the sake of comedy, so we can safely say that the movie is canon but somethings that happened in it can be dismissed as jokes such as Frylock being Weird's dad... -The Forgotten Beast ^TALK 21:21, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

So should we even mention a "canon" in any Article?24.5.155.168 00:39, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

I was gonna say. What is this "canon" shit? ATHF is notable for utterly dimissing the concept of canon. They barely have any continuity between episodes, much less "official canon". Go take that shit back to Lost Wiki.

New topic about the Lack of Canon

I've been meaning to ask, is it appropriate to add trivia about continuity. One user recently added a comment "(Then why did you mention it?)" which I deleted (second person pronouns should be avoided) and it got me to thinking pretty hard. I was having a bit of trouble adding a Trivia section, so I added that part about Dr. Weird in a chicken disguise and what it meant. It wouldn't really hurt my feelings if someone removed it, if they had their own verifialble trivia to add to the page. However, this brings up an interesting point: When is it appropriate to talk about canon? It is true we shouldn't mention Frylock being "abusive towards Meatwad" in the "Personality" section, simply because of a single scene that may or may not be memorable. However, there are plenty of contributions about the lack of continuity, so again I ask: When is it appropriate? Edd Shwartz (talk) 14:43, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

I agree in part with what that Wikia Contributor said, I don't think the lack of canon should be pointed out on the episode, character, or movie pages. The last bit, "The film is barely canon anyway, so it doesn't really matter.", just makes that part, and other areas where the lack of continuity is pointed out, sound informal, and people can easily come to the conclusion that the show has conflicting continuity ("The true source of Frylock's powers is unknown" easily conveys this message without having to add "because Aqua Teen Hunger Force barely has any continuity"). I don't think that pointing the lack of continuity adds much in this scenario either, and it should possibly be moved to the Dr. Weird page and reworded to say that Dr. Weird displays instances of cooking up ridiculous back stories for his costumes in the movie (I cannot remember off the top of my head if he displays this tendency in other episodes), used as evidence to support his insanity, or removed.

Character bios should be fleshed out by referencing similar information gathered over time from various episodes, I don't think it should get to the point where we're using information that cannot be supported by multiple different situations where the character displays those character traits. --Siberian99 (talk) 11:12, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be all right for certain situations, but not many. For example, on Frylock's page, it says, "Shake has died due to the show's lack of continuity, and Frylock has been shown to not care in most situations..." This actually does show some purpose other than "There's a lack of continuity... (whines)," because it shows just how much Frylock hates Shake. While I do find it interesting how many times continuity has been broken outside of simple deaths, I think I could see this kind of stuff go. Actually, I suggested this when you first adopted the wiki, but abandoned the idea, because no one else was following it. I will pick this policy back up, but I just want you to keep in mind this decision won't be easy, because everyone's always adding in these pieces of trivia, which is the main reason I stopped following the "No Canon" policy. I do not mean to pin blame on Wikia Contributors. I just feel like explaining myself sometimes.

I digress. We truly shouldn't add items that are irrelevant due to the lack of continuity and we also shouldn't insult people's intelligence by pointing out that "Shake died, but it doesn't matter cuz there's no continuity." Of course, it will likely be me who has to remove all these pieces of information. (Sighs).Edd Shwartz (talk) 16:29, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

I totally agree with your example and agree that that it is appropriate to point out the lack of continuity in that scenario, but that is one of the few times where I think it'd be fine to point out the lack of continuity on the pages. Our policies state this so we can just revert edits that use the lack of continuity incorrectly.

You don't have to do it if you don't want to. I can do it at some point, it doesn't really matter. It'll get done at some point. --Siberian99 (talk) 04:48, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Then we're in agreement. I will say, however, that when I said "certain" I meant "a few." I don't expect it to be necessary very often. I just really do feel like sharing that example at the time. On the whole, though, I feel it would be better for the wiki to follow the Canon Policy. Edd Shwartz (talk) 23:07, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Villain Check

Again, can Steve be considered a Villain, he's never really plotted agaisnt the Aqua Teens, he just does his job as a scientist; it's Dr.Wierd who has the vendetta against them. 

MilezTailzPrower – Milez TALK – MilezTailzProwerPowered by Bramble-vision 21:48, February 20, 2015 (UTC) I see your point, but Steve works for Dr. Weird on his own freewill.

Well, keeping in mind that the show rarely, if ever, has continuity, the only time Steve has done anything to the Aqua Teens (or has even interacted with them) was in the film. It's implied (but in no way directly stated) in the film that Steve doesn't have much of a choice in the matter. I always got the impression that Steve was either unable to quit for fear that Dr. Weird would murder him or unable to quit because he is enslaved by Dr. Weird. As stated on the Talk:Robositter page, I do not consider him a villain. (Sorry, but I had to link back to my original statement because I'm obsessive compulsive.) Edd Shwartz (talk) 23:09, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

MilezTailzPrower – Milez TALK – MilezTailzProwerPowered by Bramble-vision 21:48, February 20, 2015 (UTC) Good Point.

In that case I'm going to remove it and place steve somewhere else; please let me know if this should be reverted. Chibifoxkit (talk) 00:01, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

EDD READ THIS NOW! PLEASE!

HOOMUNS! LISTEN TO WORDS OF CHIBI-MAN. I propose two things: There is a bit of continuity within soley the cold openings and that steve has powers (just not to the extreme level of his employer,) as this man can survive being eaten and having his brain removed!

[Stops everything going on in his life to answer Chibi with just his smart phone.]

I somewhat interpet the brain-removal as being part of Dr. Weird's powers. Actually, until today when I wrote the "Relationship with Steve" section on Dr Weird's page, I assumed the show ran on the logic of "If Meatwad can think without a brain, then Strve can function equally effectively without a brain." I think we would really be stretching it if we gave Steve a "Powers" section. Say, when did Steve survive being eaten. If you're referring to the cold opening continuity, well... I interpret the continuity as part of Dr. Weird's manipulation over reality. That's just assuming there IS this continuity. Edd Shwartz (talk) 01:20, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

And that just proves how badass Edd is, legends say he can even stop time itself. Well his head got eaten and he's also been ate by the corn. Anyway, I think he has some form of invulnerability. And again, I think that there would be some form of continuity if not soley in the form of the cold openings. 

Edd Shwartz – Shwartz TALK – EddShwartz(Rollbacker) Sorry for the typos, Chibi. That was done on my iPhone. Anyway, I think there actually could be a sense of continuity within the first three episodes because the Aqua Teens don't die in those episodes. Episodes One and Three were the only ones to directly reference the Aqua Teens (even if it was just their house that we saw). The only other time a character from the actual episode is seen is when MC Pee Pants showed up, and he isn't even mentioned by name. "I think that's a giant spider." The Mooninites ship is seen, but that could just be them on another trip to Earth. It might not even be them considering the lack of continuity elsewhere. The only other episodes that reference the Dr. Weird openings are "Dumber Days" when Dr. Weird provides Terry with the brain for the episode and "The Clowning" where the episode may have very well been a dream sequence that was part of Dr. Weird's demonstration. "...And that's how the wig works, but you know. Heh, of course, you know, we did it to ya." Wait, maybe the line is different than it is in the Volume Three DVD. Anyway, I believe I should start a new thread on the forum for this discussion tomorrow. Right now, though, I'm too low on sleep. I'm not ready for bed; it's just that I don't make sound decisions when it comes to posting on the Internet past 9:30 P.M. I still think it's pushing it to say Steve has powers just because he could survive certain things. I still say it's either Cartoon logic or simply Dr. Weird's manipulation over reality. Edd Shwartz (talk) 04:14, April 19, 2015 (UTC)